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Tip Jar/Donations for free instructions?

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Now that Rebrickable has an integrated marketplace for instructions, have you thought about revisiting the 'Tip Jar/Donation' suggestion? I'm pretty sure someone suggested it years ago.

I really like the idea of keeping my instructions freely available to the community, but having a way for those who can afford it to show their appreciation via making a donation. Rebrickable could take a small percentage for facilitating the donation.

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1 hour ago, KristofPucejdl said:

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The mechanism I am calling for is for people, who just use your free instructions, like the work you have done and/or the fact that they are given this chance to build custom models, courtesy of the designers AND the Rebrickable team, and they just spontaneously want to support the efforts. Efforts of both the designer and the website creators and mods.

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Maybe, a "pay what you want" functionality, like it's common in music industry, would solve this. So, people can decide on their own, how much or even if they want to pay. 

In the technical point of view this should be relativly easy to implement. And I think this is especially well suited for small models. 

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I have been thinking about this: if you want your MOC to be free, and allow people to make a small donation; why not submit that MOC as Rebrickable-hosted Premium, with a minimal price (1 euro?/1 dollar?) and then ADD an ADDITIONAL link to the freely available instructions. You can even put that in the description: "This MOC is FREEMIUM, the instruction are free, but if you want to support me, you can always buy the instructions".

If the term Freemium sticks, perhaps that can be shown in the MOC searches.

As far as I can tell, this can be done immediately without any technical changes. I am really hoping to see more Freemium MOCs in the near future. For the next few days, I will be searching for "freemium"!

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5 hours ago, raystafarian said:

I think one drawback is that I don't normally click on any MOCs that have the "Premium" tag, but I would be more likely to click on one that doesn't have it, really enjoy it and then go back to tip.

Yes, that's a point I also thought about: 

1. The best solution would be to have a similar tag for Freemium MOCs, maybe with a green background instead of the blue one. But it's not easy verifiable by the system and therefore error prone. 

2. Or the MOC creator can decide if the Premium tag is shown or not. 

For both solutions a system change is needed. 

3. A quick fix could be to have special prefix in the name of the MOC... like [Free] or something like that. 

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First we need more designers using the term "Freemium" in either MOC name or description. I have made sure that the term Freemium is not used within sets, so if you search for Freemium, you only see MOCs. Right now, there are only four Freemium MOC. We need to get more of them.

Once we have a couple of dozen; I will ask Nathan to add Freemium as a seperate option in Building Instructions. Then the system can display both Freemium and Premium (different colors would be nice), and the community can keep an eye on the validity of the usage (check if a MOC os really Freemium).

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6 hours ago, modelar said:

Hi, so what the situation with "freemium", it didnt go through, did it?

If not, is it ok to put donations link in the description of a moc?

Thank you.

Well, as far as I recognised, there was no change to Rebrickable. But you can add a search tag "freemium" to your model. If you search for it, there are some results. I don't know if most of the people don't want to use it or just don't know about it. 

For me this year worked ok, as I at least got the money for the 4x 42084 sets back. But I think the freemium concept needs more promotion directly from rebrickable to become more famous. On the other side, they just earn money if instructions are sold... 

Concerning your donation link, in a quick search I couldn't find any restrictions not to do it. To be sure you should ask over the official Contacts... 

 

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3 hours ago, Blue-at-Heart said:

This is definitely a feature I want for my own pricing... in the mean time, linking to my Ko-fi... good idea? Bad?

If you want to support this idea, then please hit the "up" triangle, the one on my post as well as the one next to the tread title... 

Sorry, maybe I missed something, but what's a Ko-fi? 

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I vote for this too.

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Indeed, but consider that the amount that people would tip, they would most likely donate more to Paypal than to you.

And I would also suggest a switch to accept all currencies, to reduce a bit what Paypal steals. It's safe to say that half is paid in EUR & the other half in USD, I would prefer to accept both (or define a price in both currencies).

I think that when you're as low as 1 or 2 bucks to get instructions, it's more or less a tip system. Only, again, it's mainly Paypal that gets the 1 or 2 bucks.

 

I have no solution to this, though. Is there any cheap micropayment/tipping system out there that'd be suitable? If not, a credit system build-in Rebrickable would be welcome.

I would have suggested cryptocurrencies, as *some* (not BTC of course) have very low fees (& there's BAT designed for tipping in browsers), but Rebrickable would have no way to tell when it has been paid (or perhaps there is with BAT, I don't know, anything that's not BTC/ETH is not mainstream yet anyway).


Other than that, I'd suggest setting up a Paypal.me, it's very simple to insert as an URL. But beware, no one's gonna donate. I've tried it :)

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It would be nice to have a field on your profile for a donation link like your paypal.me URL or something that would cause a "Donate to support designer" button (or something like that) to automatically show up on your profile and all your MOC mages.

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Hi, I like the idea Simon mentioned and I instantly turned it into reality. My MOCs are all available via the Mecabricks Online editor for free. Users don´t even have to be registered to open them. In the last few weeks I still get some questions about step-by-step instructions, but thats not an easy task as Mecabricks doesn´t support generating instructions. So, I set up my own quite complex "production chain". The resulting PDF file is now available as a Rebrickable premium file. I gradually update the remaining MOCs and will continue this process for future models. 

On 1/17/2019 at 12:17 AM, Simon said:

.... For the next few days, I will be searching for "freemium"!

Keep on searching! I definitely stick to the term "Freemium" and place it in the descriptions of my models.

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Thanks, I appreciate it.

There's a thin line between good and greedy when it comes to pricing MOC instructions, and over the last few month, I felt we were on a sliding slope, and so I coined the term "MOC-spamming" to express my concern. Here on Rebrickable we are all AFOLs, we are an adult community, and we should be able, by respectful reasoning and argumentation, to put a halt to this kind of unwanted development.

I sincerely hope that more of your fellow MOC designers follow your example.

Take care,
Simon

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I think one drawback is that I don't normally click on any MOCs that have the "Premium" tag, but I would be more likely to click on one that doesn't have it, really enjoy it and then go back to tip.

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Hi, so what the situation with "freemium", it didnt go through, did it?

If not, is it ok to put donations link in the description of a moc?

Thank you.

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I agree that some mechanism for optional donation should be allowed. I don't think it makes sense to charge a fixed (even though small) amount for very small models but I think (or better say I would like to believe) that people generally respond well to the mildly suggested option to donate. I don't really like asking for donations directly, mainly because of the fact that for these ~$1 amounts it seems like one is just sponsoring PayPal (and also quite frankly it seems like it rarely works anyway) plus (and more importantly) that means that Rebrickable gets nothing. I would actually be quite happy if most if not all of the small tips went to the website piggybank. In the end, we are all using their great service, most of us for free, so it would seem more than adequate to me.

I'd be glad to hear from someone who tried this [freemium] option and actually got some tips. That would mean that people are actually willing to donate and if it was even more 'official' and easy to do, I think it might be a nice functionality to have. One could possibly brainstorm some ways to virtually 'reward' or distinguish people that donate (have your name listed, earn some badge, some points...).

 

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1 hour ago, KristofPucejdl said:

I'd be glad to hear from someone who tried this [freemium] option and actually got some tips. That would mean that people are actually willing to donate and if it was even more 'official' and easy to do, I think it might be a nice functionality to have. One could possibly brainstorm some ways to virtually 'reward' or distinguish people that donate (have your name listed, earn some badge, some points...).

 

In the last year I used this concept. All my Mocs are freely available in the Mecabricks editor. You can use them even without having an account. But it needs some time and effort to get into the usage of the tools and not everyone can or want to do it. So, I made Pdf instructions, which is a big effort to do. These Pdfs are then sold via Rebrickable to those people, who want to go the easy way. I think, the success of Freemium depends heavily on the quality and complexity of the model. With this concept I managed to sell 36 Pdfs last year, mainly with two models. But as you said, not all of this money show up on your bank account. Between 14 and 17 % goes to PayPal and 10 % goes to Rebrickable, of course both calculated from the initial price. So, really small amounts make not really a sense...

It's not a concept to get rich, it's more a compensation for the effort to help people building your model. 

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1 hour ago, CrashTestTommy said:

In the last year I used this concept. All my Mocs are freely available in the Mecabricks editor. You can use them even without having an account. But it needs some time and effort to get into the usage of the tools and not everyone can or want to do it. So, I made Pdf instructions, which is a big effort to do. These Pdfs are then sold via Rebrickable to those people, who want to go the easy way. I think, the success of Freemium depends heavily on the quality and complexity of the model. With this concept I managed to sell 36 Pdfs last year, mainly with two models. But as you said, not all of this money show up on your bank account. Between 14 and 17 % goes to PayPal and 10 % goes to Rebrickable, of course both calculated from the initial price. So, really small amounts make not really a sense...

It's not a concept to get rich, it's more a compensation for the effort to help people building your model. 

I thought about this too. But I ended up choosing not to go for this Free-Cad & Premium-PDF. The main reason being that since I already made the instructions, I want people to be able to use them :)  I also want people who simply can't afford to spend the money (could be as simple as not having a way to do the online payment, being a kid who saves up pocket money... you name it) not to be excluded.

The mechanism I am calling for is for people, who just use your free instructions, like the work you have done and/or the fact that they are given this chance to build custom models, courtesy of the designers AND the Rebrickable team, and they just spontaneously want to support the efforts. Efforts of both the designer and the website creators and mods.

Mind you I am still talking the small models which I simply have no internal need to ask money for. If I spend some serious time designing instructions for some fairly large and intricate model which brings a considerable cost just in pieces, it only seems reasonable to mark it at some price.

 

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I've also started moving toward the freemium model.  It's going to be a process because I have a lot of models, and I'm updating all the instructions, but I hope it's worth it.  I'd still like the ability to allow people to pay into an account or toward a person for the bulk of the builds, and then go get all their .io or mecabrick files, rather than say they'd like to build 10-20 models and have to buy each one each time.  I don't know.

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This is definitely a feature I want for my own pricing... in the mean time, linking to my Ko-fi... good idea? Bad?

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4 hours ago, CrashTestTommy said:

If you want to support this idea, then please hit the "up" triangle, the one on my post as well as the one next to the tread title... 

Sorry, maybe I missed something, but what's a Ko-fi? 

Ah, got it. Thanks.

Ko-fi is a popular existing tip jar website, for giving / receiving tips in three-buck increments, around the price of a coffee. A fair few artists use it.

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On 3/15/2020 at 2:05 PM, Blue-at-Heart said:

Ko-fi is a popular existing tip jar website, for giving / receiving tips in three-buck increments, around the price of a coffee. A fair few artists use it.

Ah, ok. So it´s the similar question like PayPal.me or Patreon or something like that. I don´t know what´s Rebrickables opinion about this. Fact is, they won´t have their share from that. This could be bypassed when they implement a function like that on their own.

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