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One and only Motor is listet with 2 part IDs

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Sorry for the forum post, but the user TobyMac has reject my change request. 

Following question:

What is the difference between these two Powered Up Motors? https://rebrickable.com/parts/6181852/boost-interactive-motor-4x6x3/ https://rebrickable.com/parts/26913/medium-linear-motor-4-x-6-x-3/

In my opinion, it's the same motor....

Edit: Also Bricklink uses the same Part ID for the Boost Motor and the New Powered Up Set with the single motor... 

https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=bb893c01&name=Electric, Motor - Boost Interactive&category=[Electric, Motor]#T=C&C=1

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I've refreshed the Element ID info on 6181852 that was missing. They are indeed the same. I've merged them into 26913.

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I've retraced the confusion: Earlier we had a Change request asking to change the inventory of 88008-1 because the motors would be different (also from you I see now). I still had that in my head, but it was yet a different motor (21980) then these 2 that are now merged.

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Thanks!

LEGO has renamed all Boost parts with the "Powered Up" tag now (see links to LEGO Shop). On Rebrickable all Powered Up components should start with "Powered Up" in the title (like the "Power Function" parts). At the moment this is very inconsitent.

rename: "Boost Color and Distance Sensor - 2x4x2" -> "Powered Up Color and Distance Sensor"
https://rebrickable.com/parts/6182145/boost-color-and-distance-sensor-2x4x2/
https://shop.lego.com/en-US/product/Color-Distance-Sensor-88007

rename: "Boost Move Hub - 6x16x4" -> "Powered Up Move Hub"
https://rebrickable.com/parts/26910/boost-move-hub-6x16x4/
https://shop.lego.com/en-US/product/Move-Hub-88006

rename: "Handheld Control Unit Powered UP" -> "Powered Up Remote Control"
https://rebrickable.com/parts/28739/handheld-control-unit-powered-up/
https://shop.lego.com/en-US/product/Remote-Control-88010

rename: "Powered Up Hub (battery box)" -> "Powered Up Hub (battery box)"
https://rebrickable.com/parts/28738/powered-up-hub-battery-box/
https://shop.lego.com/en-US/product/Hub-88009

rename: "Medium Linear Motor - 4 x 6 x 3" -> "Powered Up Medium Linear Motor"
https://rebrickable.com/parts/26913/medium-linear-motor-4-x-6-x-3/
https://shop.lego.com/en-US/product/Medium-Linear-Motor-88008

rename: "LPF2.0 MEDIUM MOTOR" -> "Powered Up Simple Medium Linear Motor"
https://rebrickable.com/parts/21980/lpf20-medium-motor/
https://shop.lego.com/en-US/product/Simple-Medium-Linear-Motor-45303

rename: "Electric Train Motor Powered UP" -> "Powered Up Train Motor"
https://rebrickable.com/parts/28740/electric-train-motor-powered-up/
https://shop.lego.com/en-US/product/Train-Motor-88011

rename: "Electric Powered Up LED Light Unit" -> "Powered Up Light"
https://rebrickable.com/parts/22168/electric-powered-up-led-light-unit/
https://shop.lego.com/en-US/product/Light-88005

Thanks!

 

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I'm on the phone, so I have acces to the admin functions right now. But at first glare it does seem you are mixing up the set names and part names. I'll look into it tomorrow. We've worked with temperal naming until anything official was known.

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20 minutes ago, TobyMac said:

But at first glare it does seem you are mixing up the set names and part names.

Yes, you are right. Have a look to the old "Power functions" components:
* The sets are named with "Power Functions NAME"
* The parts named with "Electric Power Functions NAME (and optional some details)"

Example:

"Power Functions Servo Motor"
https://rebrickable.com/sets/88004-1/power-functions-servo-motor/#parts

"Electric Power Functions Servo Motor with dark bluish gray bottom"
https://rebrickable.com/parts/99498/electric-power-functions-servo-motor-with-dark-bluish-gray-bottom/

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Posted (edited)

No problem...

This comes up because the Powered Up components are available in the LEGO-Shop since a few days...

I think the number of Powered Up components will increase in the near future significantly. Therefore it is useful to define a consistent name system for all existing and comming up Powered Up components. In my opinion you should create a new Theme "Powered Up" for all the new Powered Up accessories sets, like the "Power Functions" Theme. At the moment these two different electric systems are mixed up in one Theme: https://rebrickable.com/sets/power-functions/

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It appears to me that there is already a Power Functions > Powered Up sub-theme that's handling the sets (except the Simple Medium Linear Motor which is categorized with the WeDo parts that it was first released with). On the link you provided, open the drill-downs on the left and you'll see the breakdown. For now, I think this makes sense due to the partial compatibility between the two systems. If that changes, then would be the time to split them up. My understanding for now is that all PU hubs will support both PF and PU motors (but not vice versa). As for set names, I am a believer that we should keep those as 'official' as possible - and I consider Shop.lego.com or the set's packaging as the gold standard for that. So for now, that means not including a theme name in the set names of the PU component sets. This is helpful to users who search by the name rather than numbers. It also avoids assigning branding to these sets which have already shown up in Boost, WeDo 2.0, Batman, Trains, Creator, etc. 

Parts are a different matter - we rename those all the time to sensible and organizable things. I definitely think those should be named "Powered Up...". I don't see the need for a split category in the part system. This might be a good place to use tags though. 

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The new "Powered Up" is not combatible to the old "Power Functions". That is the biggest disadvantage of the new system and has been hotly discussed for many months in the forums. It is a complete different system with different protocols, different cables and different connector plugs! At the moment LEGO can not say, if there will be an adapter one day to connect the old "Power Functions" things with the new hubs... I think there is no reason to mix up this two systems in one category/theme....

Edit: Ah, now I see what you mean with "drill-downs". That's OK to filter the things...

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7 hours ago, Lebostein said:

The new "Powered Up" is not combatible to the old "Power Functions"

In the latest news, the PF will be phased out in 2020. I think this is in part why they are bringing in the 42100 Liebherr. It has 7 motors and 2 4-channel hubs. So people will directly have a good part pack of PU stuff to go MOCcing.

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47 minutes ago, TobyMac said:

In the latest news, the PF will be phased out in 2020. I think this is in part why they are bringing in the 42100 Liebherr. It has 7 motors and 2 4-channel hubs. So people will directly have a good part pack of PU stuff to go MOCcing.

Yes, I hope they bring a "big hub" with more battery power and 4 or 8 connections.... This available small hub is only useful for small cars and trains, not for big Technic models....

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I've renamed all the Powered Up parts. Can you check if I missed anything?

@Retrieverfalcon already had CRs to rename all PU sets, so I assumed they are correct now. I've left the term Powered Up out of the names for the sets, because they are already in the Powered Up theme. The parts are in the general Electric Stuff category, so they need a Powered Up reference

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Posted (edited)

Thanks. One part is missing:

https://rebrickable.com/parts/21980/lpf20-medium-motor/

Formerly known as "WeDo 2.0 Medium Motor" from the Education line (https://education.lego.com/en-us/products/wedo-2-0-medium-motor/45303), this is an official Powered Up component now, see new description in LEGO-Shop: https://shop.lego.com/en-US/product/Simple-Medium-Linear-Motor-45303 ("Connect the LEGO® Powered Up 45303 Simple Medium Linear Motor to the Powered Up Hub or Move Hub to make your LEGO building toys move.")

I think "LPF2.0" in the current part name means the new system before the official name "Powered Up" has been announced...

What about the WeDo 2.0 Sensors? They all have a "LPF2" in the part name. The term "LPF2" does not exist in the LEGO universum, it is a placeholder for "Powered Up". WeDo 2.0 Sensors are fully combatible with Powered Up, in my opinion they are normal Powered Up components...

https://rebrickable.com/parts/20841/lpf2-sensor-tilt-2x4x1/
https://rebrickable.com/parts/20844/lpf2-sensor-detect-2x4x1/

 

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26 minutes ago, Lebostein said:

The term "LPF2" does not exist in the LEGO universum, it is a placeholder for "Powered Up".

LPF2 comes from the Part Name that comes with the info from the Element ID (the 7 digit number in the back of the instructions): LPF2.0 MEDIUM MOTOR for 21980/. At the time there was no 'clean' name known yet, so we used this.

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