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Part pictures disapearing after ldrraw update

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1 hour ago, thea said:

 Nederbrik said that he was not just talking about his photos, but many photos submitted by members were disappearing.  Yesterday I was researching Nederbrik's post with the 3005 image showing photos submitted by meregt on Oct 28, 2018.  At that time the member photos did show up for me.  I had to go do other things, and when I returned, the member photos were gone, leaving me with this photo.  

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In looking at the change log, I found that the photos from Nederbrik's 3005 screenshot had all been deleted during the time that I was gone.  

So he is correct, member photos are disappearing because they are being deleted.  Given the choice, I would much rather see 1 photo showing both top and bottom than have the two photos that are currently displayed.

Yes, when better photos are added older ones are deleted so it doesn’t get cluttered. I deleted 10 images from that part when reviewing it to take the total number of secondary part photos from 36 to 26 (which took the total number of photos for that part from 66 to 56).

The policy is to only show 1 angle of a part in an image (always has been but was not enforced for a long time, similar to white background policy). That’s why we have secondary photos. This is for numerous reasons. 1. when a photo is a thumb multiple angles in one image make the image far too small to be useful. 2. We don’t want to confuse casual users who may think that the multiple angle is somehow the whole part. 3. Some parts benefit from more than 2 angles. It would be absolutely useless to have an image with 3+ angles in one image. 4. It’s much harder for a user to submit a collaged image than 2 separate images.

We are endeavouring to remove photos with the same part in it twice. This doesn’t mean we delete all photos like this, only when a new one is submitted. However newly submitted collage photos are no longer approved.

To be clear, duplicate photos have only been getting deleted in the last month-ish as Nathan made changes to the system which allowed this to happen.

Nederbriks complaint about missing photos has been ongoing for close to 2 years and has been throughly investigated. We now think we have got to the bottom of it and if you read back on this post it will be clear to you that a couple of big changes to how images are handled by the site over the last year or so have complicated his issue and how he expects the site to act.

with the addition of the dummy sets, and upon the completion of Simons LDraw project I am confident Nederbriks issues will vanish. 

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This is my personal opinion regarding photos.

Standard should be one picture per part taken from a good angle to see the part main features,

However if a part has more than one mold, and you can't get the mold difference in the main picture without having a bad view angle, two merged pictures into one is preferred as the main picture. So in case of 3001(a,b,c) and such bricks I would prefer if the two parts in different angle remain, but cleaned up according to guides. and for the notion of it's easier to take 2 pictures than one and your more less requiring photo editing, adding them next to each other is easy compare to cleaning up the shadows and light issues. (you guys still need to add the set light level step to  the tutorial, which is great by the way)

This way we can be sure that the part exist in that color since the mold difference is fully visible and not hidden under the part.

This way I can simply browse my part collection and see all my parts and don't need to hover over each molded brick separately to see which is what mold.

I however would still prefer if images had alpha/transparent background instead of white.

so for 3005, there is no need for a picture merge, it good to have two picture but since there is no mold with a different underside, no reason to focus on it in the main picture. So the standard stand alone picture should be used. This parts only have different logo on the stud, different pip positions and of course different mold indicators ie letters and number beneath. So far we haven't divided entries of either of those reasons so photos of it isn't required.

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1 hour ago, biodreamer said:

This way I can simply browse my part collection and see all my parts and don't need to hover over each molded brick separately to see which is what mold.

This is irrelevant as the vast majority of parts use either EIDs or LDraw images as the main image on thumbs. So you won’t even see a photo until you open the part page, at which point you will be able to tell the difference from its title anyway. 

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3 hours ago, jaredhinton said:

This is irrelevant as the vast majority of parts use either EIDs or LDraw images as the main image on thumbs. So you won’t even see a photo until you open the part page, at which point you will be able to tell the difference from its title anyway. 

Well when the photo library is big enough it could actually be a good idea to change those preferences.

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23 hours ago, Simon said:

@biodreamer

I suggest changing Classic back to:

LEGO-Classic-1            Unused parts sold by LEGO between 1945 and 1965

and adding

LEGO-System-1        Unused parts sold by LEGO between 1966 and 2000

1966 being the year in which LEGO overhauled all LEGO basic sets and parts packs. From 1958 to 1965 TLG used the same spare parts pack numbers for all countries (with a few minor exceptions). But starting in 1966, different countries had their own spare part packs, with their own numbering system. Also the year that Town Plan was discontinued and the System I Leg was phased out in favor of LEGO System.

2000 being the year (October 17th) when LEGO [email protected] went online.

Can you agree with that?

 

yes

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On 5/19/2019 at 12:23 AM, jaredhinton said:

Yes, when better photos are added older ones are deleted so it doesn’t get cluttered. I deleted 10 images from that part when reviewing it to take the total number of secondary part photos from 36 to 26 (which took the total number of photos for that part from 66 to 56).

The policy is to only show 1 angle of a part in an image (always has been but was not enforced for a long time, similar to white background policy). That’s why we have secondary photos. This is for numerous reasons. 1. when a photo is a thumb multiple angles in one image make the image far too small to be useful. 2. We don’t want to confuse casual users who may think that the multiple angle is somehow the whole part. 3. Some parts benefit from more than 2 angles. It would be absolutely useless to have an image with 3+ angles in one image. 4. It’s much harder for a user to submit a collaged image than 2 separate images.

We are endeavouring to remove photos with the same part in it twice. This doesn’t mean we delete all photos like this, only when a new one is submitted. However newly submitted collage photos are no longer approved.

To be clear, duplicate photos have only been getting deleted in the last month-ish as Nathan made changes to the system which allowed this to happen.

Nederbriks complaint about missing photos has been ongoing for close to 2 years and has been throughly investigated. We now think we have got to the bottom of it and if you read back on this post it will be clear to you that a couple of big changes to how images are handled by the site over the last year or so have complicated his issue and how he expects the site to act.

with the addition of the dummy sets, and upon the completion of Simons LDraw project I am confident Nederbriks issues will vanish. 

It would have been very need if you and Simon did explain that to me a few months ago already but he i'm just a user so why bother.

I'm not crazy just explain what you are doing so i will not complain about anything but do not treat me like i'm an .......( i can not use that word here there are also children reading these topics)

But this hat to be sad.

And Thea thank you for confirming the things i did see and did write about.

Now it is a very clear they were just fouling me around and saying i saw ghost.

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3 hours ago, Nederbrik said:

It would have been very need if you and Simon did explain that to me a few months ago already but he i'm just a user so why bother.

I'm not crazy just explain what you are doing so i will not complain about anything but do not treat me like i'm an .......( i can not use that word here there are also children reading these topics)

But this hat to be sad.

And Thea thank you for confirming the things i did see and did write about.

Now it is a very clear they were just fouling me around and saying i saw ghost.

Eddy please read my last post carefully.

"To be clear, duplicate photos have only been getting deleted in the last month-ish as Nathan made changes to the system which allowed this to happen."

Simon spent a long time investigating and telling you the numbers for how many photos have been deleted since you started to complain about this issue and it wasnt close to the thousands you kept claiming. If a photo is deleted it goes in the CL that it was. Your claim originally was that photos were disappearing without any sign of why. That is a wrong assertion and one that has been explained to you several times now.

Thea was incorrect to make her statement as she is an admin and is well aware of our policies and what changes to policies have been made recently.

One more time, your issues are:

1.

  • ISSUE: You expect your old photos to be at the top of the part page because they used to be. For unique parts not in sets this was great for you because you could see the image without it needing to be in a set.
  • ANSWER: The site was changed to display the photo of the most common color NOT the oldest photo. This has meant that you immediately think your photo has gone, especially for parts without a set and thus without a color breakdown page.
  • HOW I SOLVED THIS FOR YOU: I added your parts to a dummy set which now creates a color breakdown page so you can see your photos.

2. 

  • ISSUE: You expect the photo drop down to include all part photos, thus you think your images are missing because they are not there.
  • ANSWER: That drop down is for secondary photos ONLY. Your images are primary photos and will not display there. For parts without sets this meant your image was not visible anywhere by a user.
  • HOW I SOLVED THIS FOR YOU: The same as above. Adding your parts to a dummy set gave them a color breakdown page which allowed you to see the part photo.

3.

  • ISSUE: Your thumbs in part lists, etc..., are no longer displaying your photos but an incorrect LDraw image instead.
  • ANSWER: Simon is in the middle of a very large and very complicated project to update all our LDraw images and improve their usefulness. This has caused some errors to part thumbs.
  • HOW SIMONS GOING TO SOLVE THIS FOR YOU: Once his work is complete everything should be correct. As usual with this kind of thing there's bound to be some issues and we'll gladly sort them out then. 

4.

  • ISSUE: You don't like the policy of deleting photos.
  • ANSWER: It's unreasonable to expect us not to delete photos if we get better ones. We now get a few hundred a week. If we kept older bad ones what purpose would they serve? Who wants to look at them? Why use up the storage space to keep them?
  • HOW I SOLVED THIS FOR YOU: This is one of those things that unfortunately if you don't like you're going to have to lump. This is the site, this is the policy.

5.

  • ISSUE: You thinking the Admin have got it out for you and don't believe you.
  • ANSWER: You are so very wrong. You are the most involved user on the site, your input is invaluable and I know every single admin and user that is aware of all your work is very grateful. We have investigated your claim of vanishing photos several times over the past two years. Do you think we'd do that for someone we thought was an idiot? Do you think I'd still be responding now?
  • HOW I SOLVED THIS FOR YOU: This ones up to you. I can't convince you anymore.

CONCLUSION: 

No-one is unnecessarily deleting photos and no-one is maliciously messing you around. I have explained all this to you several times. I want to remind you that I am a volunteer here. I am using my personal time dealing with this for you and I'm pretty confident I have solved everything for you and explained as best I can what went wrong and how I've fixed it.

If you somehow still don't believe me and are convinced your photo's are getting deleted I'm going to ask you again, please provide examples for us to investigate. As you saw from this post, examples help us give solutions. It's taken two years to get an example from you and as soon as we did we discovered what your issue was. Your Brown and Reddish Brown photos are now visible, and also no longer give you a color error (Your welcome by the way).

 

 

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